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For long the proposition of "sexting," as well as all other forms of exchanging naked photos of oneself with another, merely called to mind for me the admonitions of school administrators many years ago. (Or does that not happen at your public schools? Okay then.) In other words, my dismissive attitude prevented me from actually viewing the concept of sexting through moral or legal lens.

 

Then this article reminded me that there are, in fact, problems of a political nature surrounding the practice:

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/09/for-sexting-teens-the-authorities-are-the-biggest-threat/403318/

 

In case you don't feel like reading that, know that the primary issue is the fact that two 17-year-olds were arrested for and went through plenty of trouble as a result of consensually sexting each other. The article mentions some other quite questionable practices on the part of authorities responsible for cracking down on the practice of this dickpickery, in addition to other tidbits worthy of inspection, such as that "simple possession having it on your cell phone is a charge itself."

 

I don't have a particular question, so I will just throw some out there to increase the imminence of flame wars.

 

The crux of the matter obviously lies with the age of those involved, unless anyone wants to argue that two full-grown adults sending nudes is a matter worthy of ethical or legislative inquiry. So, is there something wrong with the fact that these two arrested minors got caught up into so much trouble despite being of the very same age and having, at least from a non-legal perspective, full consent in the matter? Where should we draw the line in terms of age, then? Should we base it on the legal age of consent (which, I should mention, obviously failed to apply here)? And if we want to get sidetracked, is there something wrong with the fact that only the male in the given case was charged with five counts of “sexual exploitation of a minor" despite the fact that the two of them seem to have played the same exact role in the "crime"?

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I've always hated the grey area surrounding these types of things. In both my middle and high school there were instances of sexting being caught by faculty members. Each time a picture was found, a school-wide meeting was conducted. A complete waste of time.

 

In general, my stance on sexting is that it should follow the same rules as sex. Both parties must consent to it before it starts. Sending a picture of yourself without the other person wanting it is sexual harassment. So, both parties must be okay with nude picture sharing. Also, age should matter (to a degree). The age of consent in North Carolina (where this happened) is 16. Both of these students were 17. I find it a little strange that they can have sex with each other without any ramifications, but cannot share pictures of themselves naked. The limit for consent in N.C. is 4 years (according to a quick Google search). So, if it's a 13 year old and a 17 year old it's still legal sex, and therefore should be legal sexting, even if that age gap is a little awkward.

 

The problem I have lies in the distribution of it. The article is correct in saying that a lot of these pictures end up in the wrong hands, and that's because teenagers are proud of the pictures they get and might share it with a close friend. This of course starts the proverbial domino chain. I didn't have those lectures in school because the teachers were snooping around on students' phones, I attended those lectures because whoever received the picture started sharing them with their friends. Just like in a monogamous relationship you shouldn't be cheating on your partner, you shouldn't be sharing nude pictures with your friends. At this point, yeah it is distribution of child pornography.

 

That's why I call it a grey area, because I know I'm contradicting myself by saying it's illicit material but can be shared between consenting partners.

 

I absolutely disagree that it should be labeled as child pornography though, if it's between two people over the age of sexual consent. That boy should not be put on the national sex offender registry.

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Police need to justify their jobs ---> government prosecutors need to justify their jobs ----> legislators make more laws to justify their jobs ---> lazy citizens take less personal responsibility because "the government will deal with it" ----> return to start.

 

Nowhere does common sense or discression come into it, and cases like this arise more & more often. The only way to fix it is another revolution, anarchy & start from scratch.

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I think Romeo and Juliet clauses should have unlimited reach in terms of sex-oriented laws. I read an article today, in fact, about the guy OP talks about, who may be tried as an adult for possessing naked pictures of himself. Like, that is actually a charge that can be brought against him. Anyone who thinks that makes sense needs a quick head check.

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I think Romeo and Juliet clauses should have unlimited reach in terms of sex-oriented laws. I read an article today, in fact, about the guy OP talks about, who may be tried as an adult for possessing naked pictures of himself. Like, that is actually a charge that can be brought against him. Anyone who thinks that makes sense needs a quick head check.

Well, damn. I've never heard of that but if it's true then it's one of those laws that don't make an ounce of sense.

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I think Romeo and Juliet clauses should have unlimited reach in terms of sex-oriented laws. I read an article today, in fact, about the guy OP talks about, who may be tried as an adult for possessing naked pictures of himself. Like, that is actually a charge that can be brought against him. Anyone who thinks that makes sense needs a quick head check.

Well, damn. I've never heard of that but if it's true then it's one of those laws that don't make an ounce of sense.

 

http://www.fayobserver.com/news/local/nc-law-teens-who-take-nude-selfie-photos-face-adult/article_ce750e51-d9ae-54ac-8141-8bc29571697a.html

 

tl;dr A 16 y/o girl is being charged against herself for taking nude pictures of herself.

 

I think legal charges are definitely overkill in cases where two consenting teenagers of equal/close age decide to sext each other, and instead they should do a course (?) or something where they're taught the dangers and whatnot of sexting (even tho this should be taught in school).

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I think Romeo and Juliet clauses should have unlimited reach in terms of sex-oriented laws. I read an article today, in fact, about the guy OP talks about, who may be tried as an adult for possessing naked pictures of himself. Like, that is actually a charge that can be brought against him. Anyone who thinks that makes sense needs a quick head check.

Well, damn. I've never heard of that but if it's true then it's one of those laws that don't make an ounce of sense.

 

http://www.fayobserv...c29571697a.html

 

tl;dr A 16 y/o girl is being charged against herself for taking nude pictures of herself.

 

I think legal charges are definitely overkill in cases where two consenting teenagers of equal/close age decide to sext each other, and instead they should do a course (?) or something where they're taught the dangers and whatnot of sexting (even tho this should be taught in school).

That is what happens when people play too closely to the book. Common sense gets thrown out the window. I agree this should be taught in schools, but first we need to make sure sex ed is taught in the first place.

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should sexting teens be prosecuted: no because it doesn't help or protect the teen or society in any way

should adults receiving such sexts from teens be prosecuted for child pornography: yes if they asked for it, asked for more etc

is a sexting teen an idiot: yes absolutely

 

and for dangerously idiotic teens specific child services exist, and attendance can be made mandatory by a judge because that actually helps the stupid teen in question

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should sexting teens be prosecuted: no because it doesn't help or protect the teen or society in any way

should adults receiving such sexts from teens be prosecuted for child pornography: yes if they asked for it, asked for more etc

is a sexting teen an idiot: yes absolutely

 

and for dangerously idiotic teens specific child services exist, and attendance can be made mandatory by a judge because that actually helps the stupid teen in question

To be honest, just in general you probably don't want to sext because it's silly to assume nowadays that that stuff won't get out there somehow.

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should sexting teens be prosecuted: no because it doesn't help or protect the teen or society in any way

should adults receiving such sexts from teens be prosecuted for child pornography: yes if they asked for it, asked for more etc

is a sexting teen an idiot: yes absolutely

 

and for dangerously idiotic teens specific child services exist, and attendance can be made mandatory by a judge because that actually helps the stupid teen in question

To be honest, just in general you probably don't want to sext because it's silly to assume nowadays that that stuff won't get out there somehow.

That's absolutely true, but I think a lot of people don't pick up on it because of the ease of sexting "safe" through mediums such as Snapchat.

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should sexting teens be prosecuted: no because it doesn't help or protect the teen or society in any way

should adults receiving such sexts from teens be prosecuted for child pornography: yes if they asked for it, asked for more etc

is a sexting teen an idiot: yes absolutely

 

and for dangerously idiotic teens specific child services exist, and attendance can be made mandatory by a judge because that actually helps the stupid teen in question

To be honest, just in general you probably don't want to sext because it's silly to assume nowadays that that stuff won't get out there somehow.

That's absolutely true, but I think a lot of people don't pick up on it because of the ease of sexting "safe" through mediums such as Snapchat.

Of course. It'd be silly to assume that people will ever stop sexting even if they know that stuff will be outed at some point, I just think it's good to remember that sexting is actually a really terrible idea if you value the privacy of your private parts.

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There's a few problems with changing these laws, and I believe there's a larger picture perspective being taken with cases like this. Before I expand on that, let me be clear: I don't think two consenting teenagers (even if not at the legal age) should be prosecuted for engaging in sexual activities with one another, such as this case.

 

Now, in regards to any charges of possession of child pornography, sexual exploitation, and related charges, you reach a tighter situation. Changing these laws can cause rippling effects, possibly weakening the ability to prosecute actual sexual predators. I'm not saying making a law that allows consenting teenagers to sext is going to open a door for perverts, but it is a tricky legal area.

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should sexting teens be prosecuted: no because it doesn't help or protect the teen or society in any way

should adults receiving such sexts from teens be prosecuted for child pornography: yes if they asked for it, asked for more etc

is a sexting teen an idiot: yes absolutely

 

and for dangerously idiotic teens specific child services exist, and attendance can be made mandatory by a judge because that actually helps the stupid teen in question

To be honest, just in general you probably don't want to sext because it's silly to assume nowadays that that stuff won't get out there somehow.

That's absolutely true, but I think a lot of people don't pick up on it because of the ease of sexting "safe" through mediums such as Snapchat.

Not just sex education classes, we'd need some "how do these electronic things work" education classes, too, it'd help a lot of people to avoid trouble, not just legal

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should sexting teens be prosecuted: no because it doesn't help or protect the teen or society in any way

should adults receiving such sexts from teens be prosecuted for child pornography: yes if they asked for it, asked for more etc

is a sexting teen an idiot: yes absolutely

 

and for dangerously idiotic teens specific child services exist, and attendance can be made mandatory by a judge because that actually helps the stupid teen in question

To be honest, just in general you probably don't want to sext because it's silly to assume nowadays that that stuff won't get out there somehow.

That's absolutely true, but I think a lot of people don't pick up on it because of the ease of sexting "safe" through mediums such as Snapchat.

Not just sex education classes, we'd need some "how do these electronic things work" education classes, too, it'd help a lot of people to avoid trouble, not just legal

As a teacher, I can easily attest to Dani's comment being the one major thing that Norwegian teens should learn. Most of you would be horrified if you knew the actual extent of how ignorant they seem to be at anything electronical or technological. :s

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should sexting teens be prosecuted: no because it doesn't help or protect the teen or society in any way

should adults receiving such sexts from teens be prosecuted for child pornography: yes if they asked for it, asked for more etc

is a sexting teen an idiot: yes absolutely

 

and for dangerously idiotic teens specific child services exist, and attendance can be made mandatory by a judge because that actually helps the stupid teen in question

To be honest, just in general you probably don't want to sext because it's silly to assume nowadays that that stuff won't get out there somehow.

That's absolutely true, but I think a lot of people don't pick up on it because of the ease of sexting "safe" through mediums such as Snapchat.

Not just sex education classes, we'd need some "how do these electronic things work" education classes, too, it'd help a lot of people to avoid trouble, not just legal

As a teacher, I can easily attest to Dani's comment being the one major thing that Norwegian teens should learn. Most of you would be horrified if you knew the actual extent of how ignorant they seem to be at anything electronical or technological. :s

"But that app said my ta-tas wouldn't have been all over the internets!!!"

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Agree with the above posts. And it's not only electronic laws but other things (such as what constitutes statutory rape in your state).

 

Schools generally don't have the guts to talk about things like this and it ends up getting people thrown in jail.

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It was very polarizing for me going to college my freshman year, because I had a pretty decent Sex Ed in high school, while I met people from conservative high schools, or religious high schools that got no Sex Ed background. I wouldn't be surprised at all if statistically it's those kids getting in trouble with these issues.

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Agree with the above posts. And it's not only electronic laws but other things (such as what constitutes statutory rape in your state).

 

Schools generally don't have the guts to talk about things like this and it ends up getting people thrown in jail.

ARE YOU SUGGESTING WE TEACH OUR CHILDREN TO HAVE SEX??? THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING, ISN'T IT???

 

That's the real reason this kind of thing doesn't happen, religious fundamentalists see “don't be a moron” and think “here's how to stick it in her pooper.”

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Agree with the above posts. And it's not only electronic laws but other things (such as what constitutes statutory rape in your state).

 

Schools generally don't have the guts to talk about things like this and it ends up getting people thrown in jail.

ARE YOU SUGGESTING WE TEACH OUR CHILDREN TO HAVE SEX??? THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING, ISN'T IT???

 

That's the real reason this kind of thing doesn't happen, religious fundamentalists see “don't be a moron” and think “here's how to stick it in her pooper.”

This isn't sex ed though it's learning about the law.

 

Even I went to a high school that taught sex ed relatively well but we never learned about laws dealing with statutory rape or what constitutes child pornography.

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Agree with the above posts. And it's not only electronic laws but other things (such as what constitutes statutory rape in your state).

 

Schools generally don't have the guts to talk about things like this and it ends up getting people thrown in jail.

ARE YOU SUGGESTING WE TEACH OUR CHILDREN TO HAVE SEX??? THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING, ISN'T IT???

 

That's the real reason this kind of thing doesn't happen, religious fundamentalists see “don't be a moron” and think “here's how to stick it in her pooper.”

This isn't sex ed though it's learning about the law.

 

Even I went to a high school that taught sex ed relatively well but we never learned about laws dealing with statutory rape or what constitutes child pornography.

yeah even if they give the sex ed it doesn't mean that the info given is actually up to date

as with everything schools (and laws) lag behind

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religious fundamentalists see “don't be a moron” and think “here's how to stick it in her pooper.”
There was a campaign a while ago sporting the line "one up the bum and you won't be a mum", which is technically correct, if sliiiiightly ignoring STDs

 

we never learned about laws dealing with statutory rape or what constitutes child pornography
we did, although only because of a rather large brouhaha (confined to the school, thankfully) regarding a few students' pictures, though it was long before cell phones could take easily shareable pictures. Today such a lesson should be mandatory. :s

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My phone makes phone calls. I don't understand the appeal of sexting. I agree with prior posters that distribution of images by others is where the trouble comes from, not the taking of the pictures (if consensual and not done by someone with whom the subject of the images has a loco-parentis/supervisory relationship).

 

I can see how some teens would be annoyed by these restrictions. Sexting and related activities may have become part of growing up and understanding one's body and sexual identity in some places. It is wrong to force teens to repress who they are and hate themselves for their bodies. Teens should learn to love and care for the bodies they have, not the ones they wish they had. But I'm not sure sexting is the right way to do that.

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I don't see a problem with sexting, but then I've never sent nudes to anybody who wouldn't also give me nudes and in all honesty if I thought for one second that the person I send them to would be capable of spreading it, I'd never let it happen. My circumstances are a little different, the amount of blackmail I could use for instance is enough to guarantee I will never have any issues.

 

I'm also a believer that you should never be identifiable if you're going to do it. Keep yourself safe, even if you are madly in love, love counts for nothing if she cheats on you, you have a massive argument and suddenly pornhub becomes a cluster of your own personal collection. Do what you like but be smart.

 

To be perfectly honest, regardless of the revenge porn laws in the uk and the punishments I should think if you were to claim your copyright of the images which you gave express instruction that they were not to be shared, the person sharing them might find themselves in a bit of a problematic situation there. You might not save your credibility but you might fill your wallet if you can prove copyright and prove that they didn't have consent. As well as all the other laws that come into place when you mess up like that.

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