Does reversing abortion laws give all non-white Americans a better socio-economic demographic position?

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

Does reversing abortion laws give all non-white Americans a better socio-economic demographic position?

 

Statistically, more non-whites are aborted than whites.

 

Reverse this trend and the shrinking white demographic dominance goes into overdrive.

 

White is demographically shooting itself in the foot.

 

White power, at this point in time, is being quite generous to non-whites.

 

One might see it all as a huge white restitution and reparations to all those non-whites we white predators stressed.

 

Are white Americans who are on the right, aware of what they are giving up, demographically speaking?

 

Should the non-white Americans be on the right wing side on this, just for the benefits of fast tracking their control?

 

Regards

DL

[Guitarguy]

It should be noted that "reversing abortion laws" doesn't necessarily correspond to fewer abortions. If anything, the opposite may be the case.

[Adam?]

Oh boy. What a question. Lets sift through this hot garbage and see if there's a kernel worth considering:

 

1. There's a demographic war being waged between "white" and "non-whites" that individual Americans should be invested in. This is idiotic on its face and transparently racist / problematic / I-can't-believe-I-need-to-point-out-how-stupid-this-is
2. Abortions will be effectively curbed when it's made illegal. As Guitarguy pointed out, this isn't necessarily the case.
3. Making abortion illegal won't exacerbate this disparity further by pushing lower income Americans into risky abortions vs rich americans traveling out of state. Making abortion illegal in certain states just makes it more difficult for those without the means to travel, pay for more expensive procedures, take time off from work, etc.
4. " White is demographically shooting itself in the foot." - what the fudge are you even saying here
5.  "Should the non-white Americans be on the right wing side on this, just for the benefits of fast tracking their control?" - This is gross

 

I have no idea why you journey from forum to forum spreading this garbage, but it's gross. You're gross.

Edited July 5, 2022 by Adam?

[Fatalysm]

On 6/30/2022 at 1:16 AM, Gnostic Christian Bishop said:

Does reversing abortion laws give all non-white Americans a better socio-economic demographic position? 

Socioeconomic demographics? Reversing the abortion laws means broadly that states can create their own measures. Given that states are different, you may find it puts people under more strain. Now, we are looking at people potentially having to travel and take time away from work. On the other end, we might see states try to make it illegal to get abortions outside their state residence. This does not make anything better.

 

On 6/30/2022 at 1:16 AM, Gnostic Christian Bishop said:

Statistically, more non-whites are aborted than whites. 

There are many, many, many reasons for that—wealth, location, access to quality contraceptives, and access to health care to name a few.

 

On 6/30/2022 at 1:16 AM, Gnostic Christian Bishop said:

Reverse this trend and the shrinking white demographic dominance goes into overdrive. 

From what I can see, abortion rates have been decreasing, and the number of children women have has decreased across the board. Reversing the statistics is impossible; the best we could hope for is greater accessibility like I mentioned previously, with quality contraceptives, access to healthcare, and a wider wealth spread. I think the number could get closer, but it would take much work outside abortion clinics to get better results for ALL women. We cannot say for sure, but from my perspective, more wealth and better access to help decreases the need for an abortion. Closing the race wealth disparity will improve lives.

 

On 6/30/2022 at 1:16 AM, Gnostic Christian Bishop said:

White power, at this point in time, is being quite generous to non-whites.

Yeah, white people actually let black people on buses now with no segregation. How generous! 

What the hell are you talking about? Are you a white supremacist? 

 

On 6/30/2022 at 1:16 AM, Gnostic Christian Bishop said:

One might see it all as a huge white restitution and reparations to all those non-whites we white predators stressed.

Can you clarify this? Are you implying that you think the abortion laws are helping to dwindle the white population of the US and let the racial minorities take over? This is all happening because white people historically decided to enslave, segregate, and kill people? Is that what you think? I don't think the evidence suggests that at all. The masking of racism is one thing, but the ideas you propose aren't supported in any of the data I've seen. Your words suggest to me that you think the reversed abortion laws might cause white people a problem, a problem you haven't divulged, likely because there isn't one.

To your last point, minus the race-baiting, I personally believe politicians shouldn't be involved in health care.

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

On 7/4/2022 at 3:27 PM, Guitarguy said:

It should be noted that "reversing abortion laws" doesn't necessarily correspond to fewer abortions. If anything, the opposite may be the case.

That would be nice if it also applied to developed nations like the U.S.

It likely does not and never will because abortion rates fall when third world women are given birth control, food and education.

In abortion, I do not think the numbers are what should drive our moral thinking.

Freedom, and more importantly, liberty for ourselves, is what is important. 

Free is something a person can never be.

Regards

DL

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

20 hours ago, Adam? said:

There's a demographic war being waged between "white" and "non-whites" that individual Americans should be invested in. This is idiotic on its face and transparently racist / problematic / I-can't-believe-I-need-to-point-out-how-stupid-this-is

Is the historical over representation of non-whites in prisons and abortion clinics not reducing the numbers of non-white children in the free populations?

Yes it does.

So point out the stupid part or be seen as the stupid one who cannot argue his point.

Regards

DL

 

 

 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

15 hours ago, Fatalysm said:

What the hell are you talking about? Are you a white supremacist? 

I am proudly white, but enjoy, --- and do not denigrate, --- any of the other colors.

What color are you and do you favor it over others?

If you favor one other than your own, you might think of the word, fellowship and loyalty to your own.

See anything wrong with my racism?

Regards

DL 

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

15 hours ago, Fatalysm said:

Can you clarify this? Are you implying that you think the abortion laws are helping to dwindle the white population of the US and let the racial minorities take over?

The dwindling power is demographically inevitable, as whites are not reproducing enough.

Given that more non-whites will be saved by a change in the law than whites, the demographic gains for the non-whites is obvious.

We have just seen a black U. S. president.

A white one will be harder to elect in the future as the color of the population darkens.

This is good for the U.S. as they will have to elect on excellence instead of color.

Regards

DL

[bros before hoes]

1 hour ago, Gnostic Christian Bishop said:

The dwindling power is demographically inevitable, as whites are not reproducing enough.

Given that more non-whites will be saved by a change in the law than whites, the demographic gains for the non-whites is obvious.

We have just seen a black U. S. president.

A white one will be harder to elect in the future as the color of the population darkens.

This is good for the U.S. as they will have to elect on excellence instead of color.

Regards

DL

I don’t see the point you are trying make/debate.  If your hypothesis is true and the repeal of Roe v. Wade and the subsequent case law on abortion will result in more “non-whites” born, why does this matter in the context of your original question? The only people who are concerned about the “non-white” population increasing are likely white supremacists whose opinions should not be valued. 

[Yuanrang]

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I don’t see the point you are trying make/debate. 

His logic seems to be that a Republican-elected Supreme Court repeals Roe v. Wade will lead to more people of colour for the US in the future. This would basically imply that the Republican Party is trying to eradicate all "White Americans" and "White Culture" through legislation, so.. already here we can see the premise for this thread breaking apart, in light of actual Republican policy (or lack thereof).

Oh, and @Gnostic Christian Bishop? Make one singular post, please. You do not need to make four separate posts in a row to argue your point.

 

[bros before hoes]

On 7/7/2022 at 7:18 AM, Yuanrang said:

His logic seems to be that a Republican-elected Supreme Court repeals Roe v. Wade will lead to more people of colour for the US in the future.

I agree that seems to be his position, but I’m failing to see where the discourse is. What am I supposed to be debating? If the bishop intends to spark a debate on whether more people of color is a good or bad thing for the US, then this is just white supremacist dog whistling. 

[Yuanrang]

6 hours ago, bros before hoes said:

I agree that seems to be his position, but I’m failing to see where the discourse is. What am I supposed to be debating? If the bishop intends to spark a debate on whether more people of color is a good or bad thing for the US, then this is just white supremacist dog whistling. 

Well, on a personal level, I agree that I struggle to see where the debate is in this thread. However, this is the type of thread I would probably just leave be and have it stay open and see if people find merit in the topic, or can derail it towards something more fruitful.

I think it is safe to say that the fracturing US society is going to have ramifications on the world as a whole, so there are bound to be good debates to be found here. Personally, I wonder how the Americans that still remain here think about the US today, versus when they first joined up on Sal's. Considering the past 10-15 years, are your country moving in the right direction or not? Why/Why not?

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

On 7/6/2022 at 10:54 AM, bros before hoes said:

I don’t see the point you are trying make/debate.  If your hypothesis is true and the repeal of Roe v. Wade and the subsequent case law on abortion will result in more “non-whites” born, why does this matter in the context of your original question? The only people who are concerned about the “non-white” population increasing are likely white supremacists whose opinions should not be valued. 

I listen to all, as all have value.

You likely favor your color the same way fellowship and peer pressure force us all to show and favor our colors.

Care to look deep?

Regards

DL

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

On 7/7/2022 at 8:18 AM, Yuanrang said:

This would basically imply that the Republican Party is trying to eradicate all "White Americans" and "White Culture" through legislation, so..

What a silly notion.

I am being couth with that word.

All I am saying is that there are slower and less costly ways to lose a demographic war.

This way, white Americans will end in paying a lot more in reparations, eventually, than they would have otherwise.

I am Canadian and don't really care, but dumb ideas, like reversing R v W, should always be discussed.

Regards

DL

 

[bros before hoes]

1 hour ago, Gnostic Christian Bishop said:

You likely favor your color the same way fellowship and peer pressure force us all to show and favor our colors.

 

The only colors I favor is the red white and blue 

[Yuanrang]

16 hours ago, Gnostic Christian Bishop said:

What a silly notion.

Ah, then let me be straight to the point then, since I tried my best to be nice. From now on, please do make sure all your posts are in the same post, or they will all disappear. It takes me 5 seconds to hide them all, which is far less than what it takes for you to type up your posts. If you want your voice to be heard, make sure it is done in a single (1) post before someone else posts after you.

It is not your double posting that is the issue, to be frank, since any post is a good thing nowadays. You, however, decided to just double post just to be rebellious, and that just does not work.

Now, I realise your goal is to gain controversy, but surely you too understand that you cannot be controversial when I finally decide that there is no point in being extra lenient. Make the effort, okay? The last thing I want is for you to push the limit a final time, so... save us both the trouble.   

 

15 hours ago, bros before hoes said:

The only colors I favor is the red white and blue 

Ah, I am glad you too support Norwegian Supremacy! Outstanding! ....seriously though, 29 countries have those colours in their flags. Your country is one of the youngest out of the ones using the colours, so that entire mentality does speak lengths about how the US considers themselves the Centre of the world.  

[bros before hoes]

3 hours ago, Yuanrang said:

Your country is one of the youngest out of the ones using the colours, so that entire mentality does speak lengths about how the US considers themselves the Centre of the world.

We are the wunderkind of the world. And of course the USA is the center of the world. We have 56 Super Bowls. 

[Micael Fatia]

I swear to Cthulhu the last time I was properly active here almost a decade ago these topics were being posted by the same user. I'm astonished to return and find out they're still going. I don't know whether to laugh or cry. This is some amazing consistency and dedication.

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

On 7/9/2022 at 10:14 AM, Yuanrang said:

or they will all disappear.

“Censorship reflects a society’s lack of confidence. It is the landmark of an authoritarian regime...”

~ Justice Potter Stewart

You must need a life.

Keep busy any way you like.

Regards

DL

[Gnostic Christian Bishop]

23 hours ago, Micael Fatia said:

I swear to Cthulhu the last time I was properly active here almost a decade ago these topics were being posted by the same user. I'm astonished to return and find out they're still going. I don't know whether to laugh or cry. This is some amazing consistency and dedication.

I see it more as a show of man's deep resistance to admit poor thinking.

Why do you think some blame all the gays and the inferior women.

Regards

DL

[bros before hoes]

12 minutes ago, Gnostic Christian Bishop said:

Why do you think some blame all the gays and the inferior women

Which women are inferior? 

[Yuanrang]

49 minutes ago, bros before hoes said:

Which women are inferior? 

He is not going to respond to you.  

[Micael Fatia]

3 hours ago, Gnostic Christian Bishop said:

I see it more as a show of man's deep resistance to admit poor thinking.

Why do you think some blame all the gays and the inferior women.

Regards

DL

I know you can't respond to this, but I'll answer nonethless given there's plenty to say about that question in few words.
"Why do you think some blame all the gays and the inferior women"?
Poor education; projection of their own insecurities, desire to dominate others, homophobia, misogyny, misinformation, brainwashing, hatred, sadism, republicanism () etc. There's a plethora of possible interchangeable reasons, none good and few remotely understandable - and even so understandable doesn't translate to acceptable in this case, merely into a resolute "this is terrible, but I understand the awful circumstances which created this person's mentality" as opposed to the regular "this person is just evil".

As for the first part I'm unsure of what you meant by it. Are you implying you keep creating these topics year after year because of your resistance to admit to your own poor thinking?
I doubt that's what you meant, but if the shoe fits...

2 hours ago, Yuanrang said:

He is not going to respond to you.  

Ban or suspension? 

Edited July 11, 2022 by Micael Fatia
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[Yuanrang]

16 minutes ago, Micael Fatia said:

Poor education; projection of their own insecurities, desire to dominate others, homophobia, misogyny, misinformation, brainwashing, hatred, sadism, republicanism () etc. There's a plethora of possible interchangeable reasons, none good and few remotely understandable - and even so understandable doesn't translate to acceptable in this case, merely into a resolute "this is terrible, but I understand the awful circumstances which created this person's mentality" as opposed to the regular "this person is just evil".

To be fair, pinning the reason why "some blame all the gays and the inferior women" follows the basic structure on why a bully would choose to bully others:

There are factors in their life that make their lives horrible, and thus they look for targets to push down (and beneath them) so they do not feel at the bottom of the food chain. Bullying is in almost all cases a result of anger (need to get revenge), low self-esteem/status or traumas in the past.

When you are unsuccessful in life, and you lack a purpose, you end up lashing out at anything you perceive to be a viable target. Very rarely people target someone they deem superior or stronger, so then they target people or groups perceived to be easy prey. In today's society, that often ends up being minorities or those in a weaker position. Society and Schools (sadly) has too many similarities.

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Ban or suspension? 

He had 7 warnings and about 10 second/last chances, which made that the 8th and final warn before the permanent ban. It reached the point where I did not see the point on keeping things moderation free, anymore. He is gone forever, but I imagine his actual main account will be around at some point in some manner.  

[Micael Fatia]

7 minutes ago, Yuanrang said:

To be fair, pinning the reason why "some blame all the gays and the inferior women" follows the basic structure on why a bully would choose to bully others:

There are factors in their life that make their lives horrible, and thus they look for targets to push down (and beneath them) so they do not feel at the bottom of the food chain. Bullying is in almost all cases a result of anger (need to get revenge), low self-esteem/status or traumas in the past.

When you are unsuccessful in life, and you lack a purpose, you end up lashing out at anything you perceive to be a viable target. Very rarely people target someone they deem superior or stronger, so then they target people or groups perceived to be easy prey. In today's society, that often ends up being minorities or those in a weaker position. Society and Schools (sadly) has too many similarities.

Oh for sure, no disagreement there. That's part of what I meant by "[...}few remotely understandable - and even so understandable doesn't translate to acceptable in this case, merely into a resolute "this is terrible, but I understand the awful circumstances which created this person's mentality" as opposed to the regular "this person is just evil"."
It doesn't make any more acceptable, but it creates a distinction between "evil for the sake of being evil" and "evil because this person's life circumstances ruined them to the point their evil is the consequence of something that could've been prevented in different circumstances".
That second sentence came out longer than intended. 

7 minutes ago, Yuanrang said:

Last chances, which made that the 8th and final warn before the permanent ban. It reached the point where I did not see the point on keeping things moderation free, anymore. He is gone forever, but I imagine his actual main account will be around at some point in some manner.  

Oh so the prevailing theory is that the account is an alt, still? 
Good lord I'm beginning to recall some the juicy drama that had been buried in the depths of my mind. Vera I think was "her" name hahaha.

Edited July 11, 2022 by Micael Fatia